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#201 Post by jesselee »

Al,
If you send me an email I can send you pics of the old timey stuff I am doing these day. No idea how to get them on the gallery here.
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#202 Post by das »

Jesse,

Shoot them to me at: dsaguto@cwf.org
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#203 Post by tjburr »

While searching for references to building a shoe with a fork and knife (see other post), I decided to search for the story of St. Hugh's Bones.

I came across this website about an artist that fell in love with shoe machinery and started painting

http://www.kathyhodge.com/paintings/shoemaker/index.htm

Apparently she had a showing last December

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#205 Post by sorrell »

I just spoke with a nice lady named Peggy at Ralph's Power Sewing, 303-455-6831. She has a few colors of Eddington size 33 thread in stock, and she sounds open to keeping more in stock if she felt there were a demand. I prefer to use size 33 and would be very happy if others used it too so I could continue to get it!

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#206 Post by dw »

Lisa,

Goldberg [508.745.3030]carries (or can get) almost any colour in the American Thread sampler in size 33. That's probably close to two hundred colours. they took over from Sherman Shoe Supply.

I prefer 46 myself for everything except inlay work on kangaroo but I keep 33 (for inlay) and 69 (for work boots) around in the basic earth tones and select bright colours.

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The archaeologist on NPR last night said these prints are a modern US size 9, which he equated with a man 5' 10" tall (so much them be smaller back then):

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaandindianocean/kenya/4860752/Old est-Human-footprints-found-in-Kenya.html
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#208 Post by mac »

Thanks for the link. That was a really interesting article (at least for us orthopedic types)
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#209 Post by btippit »

Very interesting indeed. From the picture in the article it appears the second and third toes were attempting to cross each other and also that he/she had a bit of a bunion. I guess all modern foot maladies are not caused by today's shoes after all.

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#210 Post by das »

Bill,

Interesting observations--hopefully some of our pedorthists will chime it too. Judging by how deep in the mud the foot had sunk, I assumed the toes had been pushed this way or that by the mud. What I enjoyed was another nail in the coffin of "they were smaller back then". Human stature (and foot size) has gone up and down depending on region, genetics, as well as diet, IOW folks got bigger, then smaller, then bigger again.
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#211 Post by dearbone »

Al,interesting article,Thanks, My first impression was the foot looked healthy to me and the toe shape almost identical with toe shape of the present people of the region,but being born in the marshes of southern Iraq and western part of Iran where poor and natives built houses with mud and i mixed a certain red soil to make mud to be used for roofing,but here is what i found walking on mud, that it is extremely slippery and the toes are not performing as they are on solid ground,because they can't keep their correct posture as in normal walking,also muddy paths are uneven beneath the feet, the big toe steps on a soft spot and sinks, this can bring up the 2nd and the 3rd toes to override. Just a thought!

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The New York Times

February 27, 2009
Prints Show a Modern Foot in Prehumans
By JOHN NOBLE WILFORD

Footprints uncovered in Kenya show that as early as 1.5 million years ago an ancestral species, almost certainly Homo erectus, had already evolved the feet and walking gait of modern humans.

An international team of scientists, in a report on Friday in the journal Science, said the well-defined prints in an eroding bluff east of Lake Turkana "provided the oldest evidence of an essentially modern humanlike foot anatomy." They said the find also added to evidence that painted a picture of Homo erectus as the prehumans who took long evolutionary strides - figuratively and, now it seems, also literally.

Where the individuals who made the tracks were going, or why, is beyond knowing by the cleverest scientist. The variability of the separation between some steps, researchers said, suggests that they were picking their way over an uneven surface, muddy enough to leave a mark - an unintended message from an extinct species for the contemplation of its descendants.

Until now, no footprint trails had ever been associated with early members of our long-legged genus Homo. Preserved ancient footprints of any kind are rare. The only earlier prints of a protohuman species were found in 1978 at Laetoli, in Tanzania. Dated at 3.7 million years ago, they were made by Australopithecus afarensis, the diminutive species to which the famous Lucy skeleton belonged. The prints showed that the species already walked upright, but its short legs and long arms and its feet were in many ways apelike.

Studying the more than a dozen prints, scientists determined that the individuals had heels, insteps and toes almost identical to those in humans, and that they walked with a long stride similar to human locomotion.

The researchers who made the discovery, as well as independent specialists in human origins, said the prints helped explain fossil and archaeological evidence that erectus had adapted the ability for long-distance walking and running. Erectus skeletons from East Asia revealed that the species, or a branch of it, had migrated out of Africa as early as 1.8 million years ago.

The lead author of the journal report, Matthew R. Bennett, a dean at Bournemouth University in England, analyzed the prints with a new laser technology for digitizing their precise depths and contours. The tracks were excavated over the last three years by paleontologists and students directed by John W. K. Harris of Rutgers University in collaboration with the National Museums of Kenya.

Daniel E. Lieberman, a professor of biological anthropology at Harvard who studies the evolution of human locomotion but was not a member of the research group, said the prints established what experts had suspected for some time. Erectus, he said, "probably looked much like us, both walking and running over long distances."

Although the discoverers were cautious in attributing the prints to Homo erectus, Dr. Lieberman and other experts said in interviews that it was highly unlikely they could have been made by other known hominid contemporaries. "The prints are what you would expect from the erectus skeleton we have," said Leslie C. Aiello, president of the Wenner-Gren Foundation for Anthropological Research, which supported the research.

William L. Junger, a paleoanthropologist at Stony Brook University in New York, said the footprints were further evidence that erectus had "undergone a major structural change in body plan, and it's much like our own." One obvious exception: the erectus brain, which was more advanced than those of previous ancestors, but was still much smaller than the Homo sapiens brain.

No erectus foot bones have been found anywhere, but other well-preserved, yet incomplete, skeletons showed the species to be taller and less robust than earlier hominids. The strides of these footsteps suggest that the individuals were an average of 5 feet, 7 inches tall; one, presumably a child, was 3 feet tall.

The site of the discovery is about five miles east of Lake Turkana, near the village of Ileret, in northern Kenya.

Dr. Harris of Rutgers said that excavations from 2005 through last year yielded scores of animal tracks as well as the erectus footprints. Geological evidence indicates that they were made on the muddy surface of a floodplain in a time of nearby volcanic eruptions. Layers of volcanic ash, mixed with silt deposits, were examined to date the finds.

The tracks were confined to two layers of sediment, vertically separated by 15 feet and about 10,000 years. The upper layer contained three footprint trails, two of two prints each and one of seven prints, as well as several isolated prints. The lower layer preserved one trail of two prints and a single isolated print.

Dr. Bennett joined the project in 2007 to make three-dimensional digital records of the footprints. He also scanned the tracks of local people who walked through soil from the excavations. He said their prints, like those of other modern humans, were remarkably similar to the erectus prints. Later, digital images of casts of the prints from Laetoli showed marked differences in foot shapes.

Anatomists analyzing the Ileret prints said the heel, instep, balls of the foot and short toes were considerably distinct from the prints discovered in Tanzania and almost identical to modern humans. Most obviously, the big toe is in line with the rest of the toes, not angling away from other toes, as on an afarensis foot.

The footprints discovered in Kenya, researchers said, indicated that the erectus foot functioned much as a human foot does: the heel contacts the ground first; weight transfers along the arch to the ball of the foot; and the push-off is applied by the forefoot. In apes and apparently earlier hominids, this force comes from the midfoot.
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#213 Post by fred_coencped »

Al,
I think Bill`s observation of the bunion is correct.Adding to this is a "Mortons toe",coined by a Dr. Morton.It is a different Dr. Morton who coined a "Mortons Neuroma".

The Mortons toe is defined as a short 1st metatarsal bone where the 2nd metatarsal is longer and upon loading the forefoot at heel lift the 2nd metatarsal picks up the load of the 1st metatarsal.Normally the 1st metatarsal with the big toe pressing into the ground,should carry 60 to 70% of the propulsive forefoot load.Now the 2nd metatarsal carries more than its lions share of loading the forefoot.

It appears to me the 5th toe is inverting or in a varus position and the 5th metatarsal is deviated inward.

The 2nd toe is elevated and overlapping the 3rd toe because via the bunion formation the great toe is pushing the 2nd toe outward and when the big toe migrates outward the lesser toes get pushed outward or laterally and/or go up or down.At the joint space[MPJ Metatarsal Phalangeal Joint]the 1st metatarsal migrates inward[medially] and the Hallux[big toe or proximal 1st phalangee] migrates outward.

Judging from the pressure under the little toe I suspect a high arched foot that is a rigid foot structure and strikes the ground hard on the outside of the heel.Body weight is transferred along the lateral arch to the 5th metatarsal head as the foot excessively pronates and all 5 metatarsal heads find their way to the ground surface.Unfortunately the foot does not recover from its pronatory motion and fails to supinate at midstance,thus leaves the ground as a "loose bag of bones"where havoc begins and the bunion is created.

The medial column is overloaded and the 1st Mpj is jammed as the 1st metatarsal is dorsiflexed when it should be plantarflexed.By the way,the 1st metatarsal head sits on 2 sesamoid bones and in a normal functioning foot the 1st metatarsal head actually moves backwards as the lower leg is moving forward over the foot during midstance.

Because the 2nd toe is dorsiflexed it is clear that the 2nd metatarsal is dropped or plantarflexed.

My final take on the forefoot biomechanics is the 5th metatarsal is plantarflexed and the 1st metatarsal is dorsiflexed.The rearfoot is inverted or in Varus and the forefoot is everted or in Valgus.

Al,Thanks for your posting.I wish we could see the whole foot print.I also would like to hear what others might see in the print and I`d be happy to answer any questions or explain further on my hypothesis,OK.

Bill,I think abnormal biomechanics and heredity is the root cause of foot deformities. Disease,Ill fitting shoes and of cause heel heights are secondary and contributing factors.How we learn to walk,fall forward or step foreward through life is a whole other metaphoric matter!


Cheers and Peace,Fred
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#214 Post by btippit »

Hi Fred,

Sure, biomechanics and heredity are huge factors. I wonder about the heredity aspect though. I would think that factor grows exponentially with each generation so we'd need to subtract 1.5 million years for this guy. I'd like to see pictures of all the prints. Not to sound like a conspiracy theory buff but I'm always at least "slightly" skeptical of things like carbon dating (there are instances of false readings on record), and too much data coming from a fossil. It would seem to my untrained mind that the condition of the soil the prints were made in when would have a big affect on how they look. Since the toes aren't really totally overlapped, maybe one toe was stepping on a rock or stick and got raised up. With the spreading that would occur in mud or soft soil maybe this size 10 is really a size 8. Or maybe one of Big Foot's ancestors was hanging from trees with fake "humans of the future" foot print molds on a stick and made the prints to fool us. Can't wait until we find the 8mm film with the guy in the business suit looking over his shoulder and back at the camera as a T-Rex chases him into the woods.

Sorry. Just feeling goofy today.

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Like Bill I think it would be hard to assume too much from the one photo I have seen.Without seeing the relative heel position to judge the line of progression the bunion/great toe could just as easily be a developing case of Hallux Valgus. The fact that the soil that has bee displaced posteriorly by the toes is not compacted would indicate it was driven back at toe off and if the person were running in soft soil/mud the lateral loading of the forefoot would make more sense.
It would be fun to look at the whole series of prints!!
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Some students from a film class in Portland, Oregon USA did a short class documentary on my shoe business recently. They did a really nice job. Here is a link to the documentary:

http://vimeo.com/4385666
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#218 Post by gshoes »

Rick,

I really enjoyed the short video from the film class. You have come a long way. I like your comment about, yelling at the shoe. It doesn't work for me either. You are right though. Each step in the process is easy once you learn it.

Keep up the great work.

Also could you tell me where you got the broughing punches? Is it a hand tool or what?
And that shoe in the video, what type of leather was that?

Your former "Shoe School" classmate still struggling miles behind you! You give me hope that I can catch up.

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#219 Post by mac »

Rick,
I really enjoyed the documentary. Not only does it give the general public a window into what we do, it also gives the shoemakers on this forum a better idea of who you are. I've been admiring your work from afar... it has REALLY improved!!!
BTW great dancing! I'll have to get lessons.
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#220 Post by larrym »

Rick,

I really enjoyed the video as well.

Like you, I'm trying to transition from a corporate career to shoe/bootmaking, so it was very nice to see your accomplishment in that respect.

Regards,
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#221 Post by romango »

Thanks all.

Geraldine,

I got the punches from Germany but I believe these folks have the equivalent: http://www.candkpunches.com/products/threaded-shank-punches.html

I punch each hole 1 at a time, using a paper template.

The leather is Garlin Neumann burnishable buffalo.
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#222 Post by paul »

Rick

What a treat! For you and us!

Thanks for sharing that.

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#223 Post by gshoes »

Rick,

I had a set of punches size 00 and a size 1. I found your downloaded paper template for the toe bug pattern. I marked the center points of each hole with an awl and then I punched it. It looks quite nice. Now if my sample was a shoe upper, would there be another layer of upper leather glued beneath this or is the suede side of the lining backed up to the holes. Also if it is glued to the grain side of leather do you have to sand that surface first?
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#224 Post by romango »

Yes. Glue a thinned and skived piece of your upper leather under the medallion.
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#225 Post by admin »

Meister Saguto made the Washington Post!! Kudos to him and Michael Anthony.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/05/13/AR2009051303627. html

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