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DW, and others
I recieved two heavy insole shoulders from Warkov- Safeer this evening. They are a bit larger, lighter in color, and more supple that the ones I had been getting from Stevenson Paxton. I'll report again after I use some of it.
Cheers, J.
I recieved two heavy insole shoulders from Warkov- Safeer this evening. They are a bit larger, lighter in color, and more supple that the ones I had been getting from Stevenson Paxton. I'll report again after I use some of it.
Cheers, J.
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I just ordered some different sole leathers from Kaufman Shoe Repair Supply in NYC. Toscana (Super Prime) from Italy, and Cima (also Super Prime) also made in Italy ,both tanned by Global. If anyone is interested I will post full reports on how they compare to Rendenbach (or if anyone has ordered pre-cuts from Pandhandle, or the Mexican outsole shoulder from Hardtke). I expect them in...err...given the holiday rush, not to soon.
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Friends,
A fellow and I were discussing boots a while back and he ask me what kind of skin I thought his boots were made of. I thought they were "gater'" but it turns out that he and his father had purchased theem in Mexico and they were turtle. The boots are beautiful, however, If I am not mistaken, isn't turtle leather on the protected species list?
Are there any LEGAL turtle skins available?
Thank you,
Larry Peterson
A fellow and I were discussing boots a while back and he ask me what kind of skin I thought his boots were made of. I thought they were "gater'" but it turns out that he and his father had purchased theem in Mexico and they were turtle. The boots are beautiful, however, If I am not mistaken, isn't turtle leather on the protected species list?
Are there any LEGAL turtle skins available?
Thank you,
Larry Peterson
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I am pretty sure that turtle is endangered wherever it is found so the chances of legal skins is pretty unlikely, mind you, I would have thought elephant was not legal, but I suppose it depends where you live.
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I am pretty sure that turtle is endangered wherever it is found so the chances of legal skins is pretty unlikely, mind you, I would have thought elephant was not legal, but I suppose it depends where you live.
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Tim,Larry,
In all the African countries that have given possession of elephants to native tribal groups, and thus the responsibility of protecting, and the benefit of selling hunting permits, elephant populations have been increasing at impressive rates. This allows for legal skins to be making it to market, although all of the other countries where elephants are protected by the state have serious poaching problems and declining populations. The U.S. African Elephant Conservation Act prevents poached elephant leather from being sold here, I don't know about AU.
Turtles are however a no-no everywhere. They are protected by the Convention on International Trade in Endangered Species (CITES) and selling turtle leather is illegal in all countries who have signed the treaty. Buying the leather or selling the made boots in the US, AU, or Mexico is risking federal jail time. Mexico did not sign the CITES convention till 1991, and if he had them made before that, it was legal there, but as soon as the boots came across the border he was breaking the law (if it was after 1974, when the US signed the convention).
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In all the African countries that have given possession of elephants to native tribal groups, and thus the responsibility of protecting, and the benefit of selling hunting permits, elephant populations have been increasing at impressive rates. This allows for legal skins to be making it to market, although all of the other countries where elephants are protected by the state have serious poaching problems and declining populations. The U.S. African Elephant Conservation Act prevents poached elephant leather from being sold here, I don't know about AU.
Turtles are however a no-no everywhere. They are protected by the Convention on International Trade in Endangered Species (CITES) and selling turtle leather is illegal in all countries who have signed the treaty. Buying the leather or selling the made boots in the US, AU, or Mexico is risking federal jail time. Mexico did not sign the CITES convention till 1991, and if he had them made before that, it was legal there, but as soon as the boots came across the border he was breaking the law (if it was after 1974, when the US signed the convention).
J.
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Does anyone have suggestions for where to buy horse butts in both hard and soft rolled?
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Hi Lisa,
http://www.maverickleathercompany.com/
You can probably get Horween Chromexcel there also. Sometimes they have cordovan ovals from Horween too.
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You can probably get Horween Chromexcel there also. Sometimes they have cordovan ovals from Horween too.
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Lisa:
I have bought one from Springfield leather, though I don't know if it is soft or hard rolled.
In the past I bought them from Siegel Leather, but I think they may be out of business.
Lance
p.s. have you tried your Baker insole leather yet?
I have bought one from Springfield leather, though I don't know if it is soft or hard rolled.
In the past I bought them from Siegel Leather, but I think they may be out of business.
Lance
p.s. have you tried your Baker insole leather yet?
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For welting? I've always gotten it from Horween.
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No, I'm not making welting with it, I just like to have some. Eddie Kimmel makes great welt with both hard and soft rolled so I'd rather buy it from him. Siegel does appear to be out of business; one phone number rings endlessly and one says that it's out of service.
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Lisa, Barta Hide in Petaluma, Ca. had a bunch of them last time I was there for very cheap, You might call them and ask Andy.
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does anyone know what the situation is at siegel of ca? they don't seem to be answering telephone calls or emails, thanks, sharon
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Sharon we were talking about them here the other day. I haven't delt with Steven for a year or so at least. ShopTalk made mention of the fact that they had gone some time ago but there seems to be a lot of confusion.
They relocated to other premises Steven's father passed away about the same time and then that was the end.
I was subscribed to their mailing list but that hasn't come through for ages.
They relocated to other premises Steven's father passed away about the same time and then that was the end.
I was subscribed to their mailing list but that hasn't come through for ages.
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Good day, could someone please describe how the snakeskin looks at the grain side that is for sale in America. If someone could please post a photo, specific Rattle, but any skin would do, that would be very helpful.
Thank you. Derrick.
Thank you. Derrick.
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Well, I don't have a photo. But the flesh side looks like any other leather, although a lot of what I've seen and used is white--a different tanning process, presumably. Also bear in mind that snake is relatively thin. A large python might yield a 2-1/2 ounce substance. Some smaller snakeskins can be near-as-nevermind paper thin.
Another thing about snakeskin is that the scales are attached to a 'petal' . When the skin is processed commercially, the scales are lost and all that is left is the petal. The petal will retain the colouration of the scale but the scale would be harder and coarser. Sometimes the finishing process effectively 'glues' the petals down. I like that kind of snake best of all--it looks good and keeps on looking good.
All that said, I haven't used snake in a long time--things may have changed.
Another thing about snakeskin is that the scales are attached to a 'petal' . When the skin is processed commercially, the scales are lost and all that is left is the petal. The petal will retain the colouration of the scale but the scale would be harder and coarser. Sometimes the finishing process effectively 'glues' the petals down. I like that kind of snake best of all--it looks good and keeps on looking good.
All that said, I haven't used snake in a long time--things may have changed.
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Thank you Mr Frommer. I took a few skins in to the the tannary, but in this country natural to them means crust and I don't want to lose the pattern or colour ( gaboon viper). I have put a small skin in a mixture that I made with ingredients found on the web. I just don't know if you will have a snake skin you can actually use, or will you have something you can only look at. What makes me worry, is there is absolutely no flesh. If I have to judge by the thickness though, I might be on the right track, because it is thin, very thin.
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If you ever happen to be in Ecuador -South America, make sure that you visit the city Ambato. It is the countries shoe making center and has lots of small shops, selling pretty much everything to make shoes: leather from local tanneries, clasps, laces, cup soles, threads, lasts etc., etc. Also there are some interesting shops selling replacement parts for sewing machines. Regarding sewing machines visit also the countries textile center Otavalo. There I even found a long missed replacement part for my super old Adler 49-1, which must be close to a hundred years old by now. Forget about internet- / mail order though.... Regarding shoe supplies its best to roam around this quarter:
https://www.google.com/maps/@-1.2386243 ... 312!8i6656
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I’m looking for a new source of lining leather. I’ve been working of a stock of lining from Garlin-Neuman but, alas, they have closed. Most of the the samples I have received so far have a surface coating (paint) that stifles breathability. Does anyone known if someone else has picked up the beautiful stuff GN used to sell? Or another supplier with naked, medium temper, 3 oz. Lining. Thanks!
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I got my veg tanned lining leather at: https://www.gerberei-rudolph.de/
Apparently they don't make it but resell it from another manufacturer, not sure who that is.
Apparently they don't make it but resell it from another manufacturer, not sure who that is.
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If you ever get a chance visit Turkey in the area of Izmir or Ancient Ephesus, make sure to stop at the Seplicir Tanning company. They produce shoe leather in bulk for the major fashion brands. Crome tanned uppers for shoes, veg tanned leather for bags as well as sole leather up to 5.5 mm are their main products. Regarding upper leathers they are producing hides having smooth and pebble grain surfaces as well as something they call „crazy horse“ which is a kind of surface that lightens up when bent and is apparently sold a lot to the US for cowboy boots. See https://www.sepici.com.tr/en its well worth a stop if you are in the area.
Likewise if you are looking for shoe industry in general, threads and metal accessories you might want to have a look at: http://www.aykusan.org/ close to Izmir (-although driving in Izmir is REALLY a nightmare……..)
Likewise if you are looking for shoe industry in general, threads and metal accessories you might want to have a look at: http://www.aykusan.org/ close to Izmir (-although driving in Izmir is REALLY a nightmare……..)
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I have some "crazy horse" AKA "pull-up leather". It was marketed as calf but I doubt it is, as a side (half hide) was 20 sqft. It's nice stuff for boot tops probably but maybe not for shoes / vamps.
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Thanks @nickb1 . Yes "crazy horse" AKA "pull-up leather". I could not remember the English name for it and was surprised that the Turkish gentleman, who I was talking to in English called it "crazy horse" :-)