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Re: Boot Leathers

Posted: Mon Jun 15, 2009 8:50 pm
by j_johansen
DW, and others
I recieved two heavy insole shoulders from Warkov- Safeer this evening. They are a bit larger, lighter in color, and more supple that the ones I had been getting from Stevenson Paxton. I'll report again after I use some of it.
Cheers, J.

Re: Boot Leathers

Posted: Sat Dec 19, 2009 9:59 pm
by jkrichard
I just ordered some different sole leathers from Kaufman Shoe Repair Supply in NYC. Toscana (Super Prime) from Italy, and Cima (also Super Prime) also made in Italy ,both tanned by Global. If anyone is interested I will post full reports on how they compare to Rendenbach (or if anyone has ordered pre-cuts from Pandhandle, or the Mexican outsole shoulder from Hardtke). I expect them in...err...given the holiday rush, not to soon.

-Jeff
Member, HCC

Re: Boot Leathers

Posted: Wed Jul 28, 2010 5:04 pm
by big_larry
Friends,

A fellow and I were discussing boots a while back and he ask me what kind of skin I thought his boots were made of. I thought they were "gater'" but it turns out that he and his father had purchased theem in Mexico and they were turtle. The boots are beautiful, however, If I am not mistaken, isn't turtle leather on the protected species list?

Are there any LEGAL turtle skins available?

Thank you,

Larry Peterson

Re: Boot Leathers

Posted: Wed Jul 28, 2010 6:03 pm
by artzend
Larry

I am pretty sure that turtle is endangered wherever it is found so the chances of legal skins is pretty unlikely, mind you, I would have thought elephant was not legal, but I suppose it depends where you live.

Tim
www.shoemakingbook.com

Re: Boot Leathers

Posted: Sun Aug 01, 2010 8:48 pm
by j_johansen
Tim,Larry,
In all the African countries that have given possession of elephants to native tribal groups, and thus the responsibility of protecting, and the benefit of selling hunting permits, elephant populations have been increasing at impressive rates. This allows for legal skins to be making it to market, although all of the other countries where elephants are protected by the state have serious poaching problems and declining populations. The U.S. African Elephant Conservation Act prevents poached elephant leather from being sold here, I don't know about AU.
Turtles are however a no-no everywhere. They are protected by the Convention on International Trade in Endangered Species (CITES) and selling turtle leather is illegal in all countries who have signed the treaty. Buying the leather or selling the made boots in the US, AU, or Mexico is risking federal jail time. Mexico did not sign the CITES convention till 1991, and if he had them made before that, it was legal there, but as soon as the boots came across the border he was breaking the law (if it was after 1974, when the US signed the convention).
J.

Re: Boot Leathers

Posted: Wed Jan 04, 2012 1:26 pm
by sorrell
Does anyone have suggestions for where to buy horse butts in both hard and soft rolled?

Lisa

Re: Boot Leathers

Posted: Wed Jan 04, 2012 4:17 pm
by artvanhecke
Hi Lisa,

http://www.maverickleathercompany.com/

You can probably get Horween Chromexcel there also. Sometimes they have cordovan ovals from Horween too.

Art

Re: Boot Leathers

Posted: Wed Jan 04, 2012 6:40 pm
by lancepryor
Lisa:

I have bought one from Springfield leather, though I don't know if it is soft or hard rolled.

In the past I bought them from Siegel Leather, but I think they may be out of business.

Lance

p.s. have you tried your Baker insole leather yet?

Re: Boot Leathers

Posted: Thu Jan 05, 2012 11:22 am
by dw
For welting? I've always gotten it from Horween.

Tight Stitches
DWFII--HCC Member

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Re: Boot Leathers

Posted: Thu Jan 05, 2012 12:55 pm
by sorrell
No, I'm not making welting with it, I just like to have some. Eddie Kimmel makes great welt with both hard and soft rolled so I'd rather buy it from him. Siegel does appear to be out of business; one phone number rings endlessly and one says that it's out of service.

Lisa

Re: Boot Leathers

Posted: Fri Jan 06, 2012 12:27 pm
by courtney
Lisa, Barta Hide in Petaluma, Ca. had a bunch of them last time I was there for very cheap, You might call them and ask Andy.

Courtney

Re: Boot Leathers

Posted: Sat Apr 21, 2012 1:17 pm
by sharon_raymond
does anyone know what the situation is at siegel of ca? they don't seem to be answering telephone calls or emails, thanks, sharon

Re: Boot Leathers

Posted: Sat Apr 21, 2012 2:15 pm
by tomo
Sharon we were talking about them here the other day. I haven't delt with Steven for a year or so at least. ShopTalk made mention of the fact that they had gone some time ago but there seems to be a lot of confusion.
They relocated to other premises Steven's father passed away about the same time and then that was the end.
I was subscribed to their mailing list but that hasn't come through for ages.

Re: Boot Leathers

Posted: Tue Nov 30, 2021 3:41 am
by derrick_fischer
Good day, could someone please describe how the snakeskin looks at the grain side that is for sale in America. If someone could please post a photo, specific Rattle, but any skin would do, that would be very helpful.

Thank you. Derrick.

Re: Boot Leathers

Posted: Tue Nov 30, 2021 3:06 pm
by derrick_fischer
Sorry, meant to say flesh side.

Re: Boot Leathers

Posted: Tue Nov 30, 2021 5:09 pm
by dw
Well, I don't have a photo. But the flesh side looks like any other leather, although a lot of what I've seen and used is white--a different tanning process, presumably. Also bear in mind that snake is relatively thin. A large python might yield a 2-1/2 ounce substance. Some smaller snakeskins can be near-as-nevermind paper thin.

Another thing about snakeskin is that the scales are attached to a 'petal' . When the skin is processed commercially, the scales are lost and all that is left is the petal. The petal will retain the colouration of the scale but the scale would be harder and coarser. Sometimes the finishing process effectively 'glues' the petals down. I like that kind of snake best of all--it looks good and keeps on looking good.

All that said, I haven't used snake in a long time--things may have changed.

Re: Boot Leathers

Posted: Wed Dec 01, 2021 5:59 am
by derrick_fischer
Thank you Mr Frommer. I took a few skins in to the the tannary, but in this country natural to them means crust and I don't want to lose the pattern or colour ( gaboon viper). I have put a small skin in a mixture that I made with ingredients found on the web. I just don't know if you will have a snake skin you can actually use, or will you have something you can only look at. What makes me worry, is there is absolutely no flesh. If I have to judge by the thickness though, I might be on the right track, because it is thin, very thin.

Re: Boot Leathers

Posted: Tue May 03, 2022 1:08 am
by carsten
If you ever happen to be in Ecuador -South America, make sure that you visit the city Ambato. It is the countries shoe making center and has lots of small shops, selling pretty much everything to make shoes: leather from local tanneries, clasps, laces, cup soles, threads, lasts etc., etc. Also there are some interesting shops selling replacement parts for sewing machines. Regarding sewing machines visit also the countries textile center Otavalo. There I even found a long missed replacement part for my super old Adler 49-1, which must be close to a hundred years old by now. Forget about internet- / mail order though.... Regarding shoe supplies its best to roam around this quarter:

https://www.google.com/maps/@-1.2386243 ... 312!8i6656

Re: Boot Leathers

Posted: Mon Jul 18, 2022 8:30 am
by dw
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Re: Boot Leathers

Posted: Sat Apr 22, 2023 7:17 pm
by MichaelB
I’m looking for a new source of lining leather. I’ve been working of a stock of lining from Garlin-Neuman but, alas, they have closed. Most of the the samples I have received so far have a surface coating (paint) that stifles breathability. Does anyone known if someone else has picked up the beautiful stuff GN used to sell? Or another supplier with naked, medium temper, 3 oz. Lining. Thanks!

Re: Boot Leathers

Posted: Wed Apr 26, 2023 12:11 am
by carsten
I got my veg tanned lining leather at: https://www.gerberei-rudolph.de/

Apparently they don't make it but resell it from another manufacturer, not sure who that is.