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Re: Glues and Cements

#176 Post by dearbone » Fri Sep 02, 2011 1:53 pm

The owner Del,told me he has a studio near my shop and likes to stop by the shop sometime, if he does,i will ask him about carrying the glue.

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#177 Post by dw » Fri Sep 02, 2011 2:53 pm

Jon, Nasser,

I could be wrong, but I think Hirschkleber is hoof glue.

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#178 Post by 1947redhed » Fri Sep 02, 2011 11:49 pm

This safety sheet for Hirschkleber identifies the adhesive as one made of modified starches, not an animal product.

http://www.ortoped.ca/pdf/msds/OrtoPed_MSDS-A_OP-73222_Hirschkleber-Adhesive.pdf

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#179 Post by dw » Sat Sep 03, 2011 5:47 am

Georgene,

Thanks for that. I had never seen the safety sheet. My source was a Goetz rep. But I always did think it might be suspicious.

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Re: Glues and Cements

#180 Post by dearbone » Sat Sep 03, 2011 7:00 am

Georgene,

Thanks for clarifying that for us,it is good stuff for turning/folding upper edges and heel stacking,if i can get it to stick on a mellow sole for out-stitching,that will be great,but maybe that's a little wishful thinking, i will do a test.

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#181 Post by courtney » Sat Nov 05, 2011 1:19 pm

For all the people that say barge does not hold so good, I can tell you I just spent about an hour trying to get my eva heels off with thinner and heat and knives.

i'm thinking maybe next time I wont glue much in the middle of the heel and just worry about the outside.

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#182 Post by paul » Wed Nov 09, 2011 5:24 am

Courtney, depending on the thickness of the EVA you're going to use for your heel, you may find that it will stretch and tear in the middle if it's not glued.
Just sayin'.
Thinner will work with the extra ingredients of patience and a pry knife. I'd not use heat on EVA, it will shrink.
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#183 Post by jon_g » Wed Nov 09, 2011 6:11 am

Courtney,

Once you've got your heels and lifts worked out you will be happy that they are well cemented.

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#184 Post by courtney » Wed Nov 09, 2011 6:01 pm

Alright, just trying to think how to make it easier now that I guess I'm going to have to be a shoe repairman too.

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#185 Post by sorrell » Wed Feb 01, 2012 9:44 am

What does one use to thin rubber cement?

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#186 Post by dearbone » Wed Feb 01, 2012 10:03 am

Lisa,

Usually the place that sell the cement also sell the thinner,I use AP thinner and i buy it from the same place i order my Barge cement.

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#187 Post by romango » Wed Feb 01, 2012 10:03 am

I have used Rubber Cement Thinner found at art supply stores. It's a mixture of hexane and pentane, as I recall. Possibly other things too. It's relativity expensive. I guess you could get by with just hexane, purchased at a hardware store.

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#188 Post by 1947redhed » Wed Feb 01, 2012 10:05 am

Rubber cement thinner, or depending on the brand, naptha. But since everything has been reformulated lately, best bet is to get the actual brand of thinner for your brand of rubber cement. Barge makes an all purpose thinner that's supposed to thin both all purpose and rubber cement, (or so they tell me at the finder), but I'm still buying up specific purpose thinner and will use the dedicated product until I HAVE to switch.
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Re: Glues and Cements

#189 Post by artvanhecke » Wed Feb 01, 2012 10:09 am

Hi Lisa,

Rubber Cement Thinner for the brand of rubber cement you are using. This is usually the solvent component of the particular rubber cement. For Petronio's #8 Rubber Cement, you would use Petronio's #8 Rubber Cement Thinner.

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#190 Post by sorrell » Wed Feb 01, 2012 10:10 am

Ah, OK. I've been using Barge all-purpose thinner but it doesn't really mix well. My supplier doesn't have a dedicated rubber cement thinner and I didn't know what other alternatives there were.

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#191 Post by sorrell » Wed Feb 01, 2012 10:12 am

Arthur,
Good to know that Petronio's has a dedicated rubber cement thinner. I've been using Barge rubber cement but since they changed the formula I hate it. I've tried Petronio's and liked it better but didn't realize they actually have a thinner for it. It needs it! It's way thicker than Barge!

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#192 Post by artvanhecke » Wed Feb 01, 2012 10:45 am

Lisa,

I've always used Master Contact Cements and thinner and Petronio Rubber Cement and thinner, almost exclusively after Barge went flaky. Petronio products just seem to do the same thing time after time and work time after time. They seem to be available from almost all of the suppliers. I get mine from Southern. In your neck of the woods Kevin has it at Springfield Leather I think.

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#193 Post by dw » Wed Feb 01, 2012 11:32 am

I guess I go back too far...I remember Barge rubber cement when it was just rubber cement.

Last time I bought Barge Rubber Cement and thinner, I got sick from the fumes (this was after they reformulated...adding MEK).

What's more I didn't like the way it dried or the open time... or anything about it functionally.

Now I buy Elmer's Rubber cement off the Internet (usually cheaper than I can get it from a finder) and I use Bestine thinner I get from Michael's.

Both the Elmers cement and the Bestine smell just like the old Barge did. And behave the way I expect them to, as well.

[Actually Best makes the very best Rubber cement (IMO) but it is expensive.]

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#194 Post by artvanhecke » Wed Feb 01, 2012 12:03 pm

DW,

I have a can with Bestine and Best-Test on it. Are these what you are talking about? Both the solvent and cement cost about $12 a Quart. It is from my daughter's art stuff so it might not be the same.

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#195 Post by dw » Wed Feb 01, 2012 12:11 pm

Arthur,

Same stuff. I think I get the Bestine a little cheaper but I buy the Elmers in gallons. At a lot less than I could buy a gallon of Best-Test...if I could find it.

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#196 Post by jshepherd » Wed Feb 01, 2012 12:22 pm

Hi Lisa,

I find that rubber cement works better when it it a little thick. To thin it, I just add more rubber cement from a new bottle once in a while.

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#197 Post by homeboy » Wed Feb 01, 2012 1:56 pm

Lisa,

I use Duall 88 rubber cement, but I can't actually remember the last time I thinned it out. It's used pretty darn fast. I usually add more rubber cement to the bottle when low. Sorry....looks like you have your answer above though.

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#198 Post by dw » Wed Feb 01, 2012 6:00 pm

Jake,

I didn't know Duall made a rubber cement or are you talking about their all purpose?

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#199 Post by homeboy » Wed Feb 01, 2012 7:01 pm

Dee-Dubb,

No Sir, it's rubber cement. At least they did make it. It's been some time since I bought any.

I really like it. And as I mentioned, I don't ever remembering EVER thinning any of it.

Still use their all purpose too.

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#200 Post by homeboy » Wed Feb 01, 2012 7:46 pm

Stop the presses! I stand corrected!

Got to thinking and actually got up out of my easy chair and went down to the shop. I'm actually using the old Barge Rubber Cement! It's got a pale blue label almost like Duall 88 all purpose cement.

I'm sorry! What can I say.....I'm getting a little senile!

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